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Post by taytaytay on Apr 11, 2021 10:27:25 GMT -5
It's interesting hearing about the different rates. Here we're up to everyone over 50 being vaccinated (as well as those with long term health conditions and all that too). Everyone should have been offered their first jab by the end of June, so it's not too long to wait. We're not doing Johnson & Johnson in the UK (yet) so everyone has to get two. We're also not offering AstraZenaca to anyone under 30, which tbh I think is a bit ridiculous. Women are more at risk of developing a blood clot from taking birth control than the entire population is at risk of getting a blood clot from the vaccine, yet it's perfectly acceptable to take birth control. I think it's a bit over sensationalised. It's going slow over here. 10% of the population got a first shot, 5% got a second shot. They're just getting started with people under 75. In fairness, they're also vaccinating people of all ages with health risks. Still it's hard to believe that everyone will get the chance to get vaccinated by July. I've heard the argument of birth control having the same risk of blood cloths. Yet I wonder why you never hear a woman dying from it. When a few people died after vaccination I wasn't worried, because it could be a coincidence and due to other health problems. But we're already up to 50-100 people having those problems after vaccination. And especially healthy people having those problems is alarming. I agree that media are probably focusing a bit too much on this. But it doesn't feel completely safe. Considering the data are very recent, there might be even more to it. I appreciate our government taking no risks with it. We've been in this for so long, a bit more time is not a big deal. Even when most people are vaccinated we need to be cautious anyway. Going back to normal quickly would be a big mistake. I mean death with a blood clot is really just a game of luck. You can get a blood clot in some veins and it will cause issues but not death, and it's also possible you may develop a smaller blood clot that is not noticeable. It's when it travels to your heart or your brain that you have issues. I know Yasmin, which is the pill that has the highest risk of blood clot, mostly causes blood clots in your legs which will cause swelling and pain and may eventually lead to serious repercussions if not solved quickly, but it's very unlikely that that will travel to the heart and cause death. Women on pills like Yasmin have a 1 in 10,000 chance of developing a blood clot. The AstraZeneca risk is 1 in 100,000, so whilst it is still high it's a lot less than those using certain pills. |
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Post by Roman on Apr 11, 2021 11:41:49 GMT -5
It's going slow over here. 10% of the population got a first shot, 5% got a second shot. They're just getting started with people under 75. In fairness, they're also vaccinating people of all ages with health risks. Still it's hard to believe that everyone will get the chance to get vaccinated by July. I've heard the argument of birth control having the same risk of blood cloths. Yet I wonder why you never hear a woman dying from it. When a few people died after vaccination I wasn't worried, because it could be a coincidence and due to other health problems. But we're already up to 50-100 people having those problems after vaccination. And especially healthy people having those problems is alarming. I agree that media are probably focusing a bit too much on this. But it doesn't feel completely safe. Considering the data are very recent, there might be even more to it. I appreciate our government taking no risks with it. We've been in this for so long, a bit more time is not a big deal. Even when most people are vaccinated we need to be cautious anyway. Going back to normal quickly would be a big mistake. I mean death with a blood clot is really just a game of luck. You can get a blood clot in some veins and it will cause issues but not death, and it's also possible you may develop a smaller blood clot that is not noticeable. It's when it travels to your heart or your brain that you have issues. I know Yasmin, which is the pill that has the highest risk of blood clot, mostly causes blood clots in your legs which will cause swelling and pain and may eventually lead to serious repercussions if not solved quickly, but it's very unlikely that that will travel to the heart and cause death. Women on pills like Yasmin have a 1 in 10,000 chance of developing a blood clot. The AstraZeneca risk is 1 in 100,000, so whilst it is still high it's a lot less than those using certain pills. The data for the vaccine are still unreliable of course. But from the people having problems with it, about 1 in 10 died. I’m aware media are bringing pretty rare cases to our attention. But it’s scary if you hear some stories. Like the symptom of Covid that your smell and taste disappear. For some people it hasn’t come back, even a year after. I also read about the CEO of Texas Roadhouse. He got covid and got a terrible form of tinnitus. He ended up killing himself. Fingers crossed that none of us will get covid. |
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Post by oliviabenson(Taylor's Version) on Apr 11, 2021 11:59:48 GMT -5
Here they still are vaccinating only people who are older than 60 years, and just very few at the doctors. I guess people who are 40 and younger will not get vaccinated befor october or november. It’s quite troubling. To be safe they don’t give people under 60 AstraZeneca. But there are already cases of the same problems with people really close to 60 and even some over 60. The percentage is really small, but the numbers are not insignificant, especially when you consider we just started ramping up the use of AstraZeneca. Another alarming message is that the Johnson&Johnson/Janssen vaccine seems to show the same problems. Some say it’s more important to get people vaccinated to prevent people getting sick or dying. But I don’t entirely agree with that. It’s better to lock down and avoid contact with others for a bit longer and wait for the safe vaccines. Maybe an alternative is to let people take the risky vaccines voluntarily. I agree with you, because who knows if the people who die at the vaccination would've been ever infected with Corona? So for me every single one is one too many. And it's right, there are more woman who die because of AstraZeneca, but there are also many men who already died. My grandpa got his invitation last week, but should've gotten the AstraZeneca vaccine and he cancelt the appointment until he can get Moderna or Biontech. |
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Post by taryn on Apr 11, 2021 22:01:51 GMT -5
Yep, I just got mine at a mass vaccination clinic and you just had to be at least 16. I wish it were that simple everywhere. Almost my whole family is vaccinated now. Damn. My mom and dad were supposed to get theirs on May 1st (I don't know if it is first one or the only one) but now my dad is hesitating because he heard a woman's (older) mom and dad got the vaccine and the next day the woman had a stroke. And then another stroke the day after that I think. And she didn't really have anything wrong with her before getting the vaccine (no condition). It's the 'Pfizer' vaccine I believe, which is what my parents would be getting. A lottttt of people have gotten sick from the vaccine, so I was very hesitant to get it at first, but I ultimately just decided to. |
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Post by taytaytay on Apr 12, 2021 4:00:25 GMT -5
Seriously just get vaccinated. The chance of anything going wrong is so slim compared to your chances of other stuff.
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Post by chantel on Apr 12, 2021 5:33:37 GMT -5
Seriously just get vaccinated. The chance of anything going wrong is so slim compared to your chances of other stuff. how does anyone know the chances of anything when there's no long term research on these vaccines. I wouldn't be surprised if the side effects we know of are being under reported. You can't say anything bad about the vaccines anywhere. You'll get fact checked or whatever you said deleted. I just got done seeing a Facebook post that was fact checked from a woman complaining about side effects after she had the vaccine. She later died but it's insane to think that someone's own lived experience can be fact checked and suppressed. In my opinion the people that end up getting these vaccines are essentially signing up to be a part of a trial since the study for these vaccines are ongoing. You can't even hold these companies accountable by suing if something happens. That's crazy. |
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Post by Roman on Apr 12, 2021 7:37:50 GMT -5
Seriously just get vaccinated. The chance of anything going wrong is so slim compared to your chances of other stuff. how does anyone know the chances of anything when there's no long term research on these vaccines. I wouldn't be surprised if the side effects we know of are being under reported. You can't say anything bad about the vaccines anywhere. You'll get fact checked or whatever you said deleted. I just got done seeing a Facebook post that was fact checked from a woman complaining about side effects after she had the vaccine. She later died but it's insane to think that someone's own lived experience can be fact checked and suppressed. In my opinion the people that end up getting these vaccines are essentially signing up to be a part of a trial since the study for these vaccines are ongoing. You can't even hold these companies accountable by suing if something happens. That's crazy. I feel safe about the Pfizer and Moderna vaccine. From the start it went well. It’s developed from an existing base. The effectiveness is high. It’s produced widely and efficiently. And no bad publicity at all. AstraZeneca is the exact opposite. They already screamed eureka when the pandemic just started. Development was delayed. The effectiveness was a lot lower, but got talked up. Britain started using it without much testing. The EU started using it mainly because we ordered a lot. Now these side effects surface. We’re back and forth putting it on old and using it. The Johnson&Johnson/Janssen vaccine also doesn’t sound too good. Similar complications like the AstraZeneca vaccine are starting to surface. Janssen is a Dutch supplier. I’m getting the feeling that it’s more prestige to get it on the market than that they’re actually ready. As a side not: I think there’s a bit too much panic and drama, especially on social media. It’s normal that your arm hurts after a shot. Or you even feel like you have the flu for a few days. It’s important to distinguish that from severe side effects like blood clots. |
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Post by The 13th Martyr from Cavite on Apr 12, 2021 8:00:09 GMT -5
how does anyone know the chances of anything when there's no long term research on these vaccines. I wouldn't be surprised if the side effects we know of are being under reported. You can't say anything bad about the vaccines anywhere. You'll get fact checked or whatever you said deleted. I just got done seeing a Facebook post that was fact checked from a woman complaining about side effects after she had the vaccine. She later died but it's insane to think that someone's own lived experience can be fact checked and suppressed. In my opinion the people that end up getting these vaccines are essentially signing up to be a part of a trial since the study for these vaccines are ongoing. You can't even hold these companies accountable by suing if something happens. That's crazy. I feel safe about the Pfizer and Moderna vaccine. From the start it went well. It’s developed from an existing base. The effectiveness is high. It’s produced widely and efficiently. And no bad publicity at all. AstraZeneca is the exact opposite. They already screamed eureka when the pandemic just started. Development was delayed. The effectiveness was a lot lower, but got talked up. Britain started using it without much testing. The EU started using it mainly because we ordered a lot. Now these side effects surface. We’re back and forth putting it on old and using it. The Johnson&Johnson/Janssen vaccine also doesn’t sound too good. Similar complications like the AstraZeneca vaccine are starting to surface. Janssen is a Dutch supplier. I’m getting the feeling that it’s more prestige to get it on the market than that they’re actually ready. As a side not: I think there’s a bit too much panic and drama, especially on social media. It’s normal that your arm hurts after a shot. Or you even feel like you have the flu for a few days. It’s important to distinguish that from severe side effects like blood clots. Agree. As someone who already has hypertension and a family history of heart disease, blood clots are something that I’m concerned about. Because of that, I’ll just wait for either the Pfizer or the Moderna shots to arrive in my country. Novavax also looks promising, though. |
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Post by oliviabenson(Taylor's Version) on Apr 12, 2021 8:09:49 GMT -5
I feel safe about the Pfizer and Moderna vaccine. From the start it went well. It’s developed from an existing base. The effectiveness is high. It’s produced widely and efficiently. And no bad publicity at all. AstraZeneca is the exact opposite. They already screamed eureka when the pandemic just started. Development was delayed. The effectiveness was a lot lower, but got talked up. Britain started using it without much testing. The EU started using it mainly because we ordered a lot. Now these side effects surface. We’re back and forth putting it on old and using it. The Johnson&Johnson/Janssen vaccine also doesn’t sound too good. Similar complications like the AstraZeneca vaccine are starting to surface. Janssen is a Dutch supplier. I’m getting the feeling that it’s more prestige to get it on the market than that they’re actually ready. As a side not: I think there’s a bit too much panic and drama, especially on social media. It’s normal that your arm hurts after a shot. Or you even feel like you have the flu for a few days. It’s important to distinguish that from severe side effects like blood clots. Agree. As someone who already has hypertension and a family history of heart disease, blood clots are something that I’m concerned about. Because of that, I’ll just wait for either the Pfizer or the Moderna shots to arrive in my country. Novavax also looks promising, though. My mother had a blood clot in his leg back in the 1990's, and almost died, so we are extremely cautious about AstraZeneca, Johnson&Johnson, Sputnik and every other one which will come and is using the same technology. |
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Post by The 13th Martyr from Cavite on Apr 12, 2021 8:17:47 GMT -5
Agree. As someone who already has hypertension and a family history of heart disease, blood clots are something that I’m concerned about. Because of that, I’ll just wait for either the Pfizer or the Moderna shots to arrive in my country. Novavax also looks promising, though. My mother had a blood clot in his leg back in the 1990's, and almost died, so we are extremely cautious about AstraZeneca, Johnson&Johnson, Sputnik and every other one which will come and is using the same technology. For now, the only vaccines available in my country are Sinovac (from China) and AstraZenica. Sinovac is used for people below 60 years old who are free from comorbidities. Those who have co-morbidities or 60 years old and above are given AstraZenica despite the risks. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2021 10:39:26 GMT -5
In America we haven't pulled the johnson and johnson vaccine that they acknowledge causes blood clots in people, epseically those who already have risk of it.
I wouldn't call it ridiculous for people to be worried about dying by a vaccine, just as they may be worried of dying of covid. They may want to fend it off using the normal means still while waiting for the vaccine to be safer.
Everyone is just rushing this because they want everything "back to normal". But there's also articles discussing how it is effecting women's periods and etc. and frankly I am not playing with that.
I will keep protecting myself by the original means until then. I have avoided covid this long doing such. I don't disrespect anyone choosing to take the vaccine but I don't think it is just to shame those who feel afraid when there's new data being released to show reasons to be cautious, especially if you have certain comorbidities. To say their risks do not matter is almost as reckless as those who cried COVID didn't matter because it was only killing old people.
Stop and be considerate. That is all.
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Post by Roman on Apr 12, 2021 11:29:24 GMT -5
In America we haven't pulled the johnson and johnson vaccine that they acknowledge causes blood clots in people, epseically those who already have risk of it. I wouldn't call it ridiculous for people to be worried about dying by a vaccine, just as they may be worried of dying of covid. They may want to fend it off using the normal means still while waiting for the vaccine to be safer. Everyone is just rushing this because they want everything "back to normal". But there's also articles discussing how it is effecting women's periods and etc. and frankly I am not playing with that. I will keep protecting myself by the original means until then. I have avoided covid this long doing such. I don't disrespect anyone choosing to take the vaccine but I don't think it is just to shame those who feel afraid when there's new data being released to show reasons to be cautious, especially if you have certain comorbidities. To say their risks do not matter is almost as reckless as those who cried COVID didn't matter because it was only killing old people. Stop and be considerate. That is all. You nailed it. I’m definitely in favor of getting vaccinated. But there’s no need to get reckless. The motives of people pushing it are not pure. Whether it’s greed or pure selfishness, people need to get a grip and realize how much of a luxury life we’re living despite a few restrictions. |
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Post by Roman on Apr 14, 2021 9:41:26 GMT -5
Denmark made a good call in canceling all AstraZeneca vaccinations. They have a small population. So they have the luxury to go safe and wait a bit longer to use trustworthy vaccines. Looking at the saga around the Johnson&Johnson/Janssen vaccine being on hold, we should probably go safe and only use Pfizer and Moderna. A few extra months of lockdown is a small price to pay. Although many would probably disagree with that  |
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Post by taytaytay on Apr 14, 2021 11:48:34 GMT -5
Again, in the grand scheme of things, with J&J 6 people have had blood clots. You're more likely to die driving a long distance. How many thousands have safely had the vaccine with no issues? ALL vaccines cause blood clots to some extent, and to similar levels. I can't quote exact numbers here, but the COVID-19 vaccines literally have an equal or less than chance of causing a blood clot than HPV vaccines women are given, and these have been given for years with no issue. A healthy level of scepticism is enough, but you have to dig deeper and look at comparable issues. There is no evidence that vaccinating is causing any major (or minor) issues on a large scale, and avoiding the vaccine in the long run is behaving recklessly and putting lives at risk.
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Post by oliviabenson(Taylor's Version) on Apr 14, 2021 12:07:55 GMT -5
I think we're putting lives at risk if we use those vaccines from AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson for a longer time. Johnson & Johnson is extremely new and isn't used for a very long time now and still they have 6 cases in that short time. If we wouldn't have better vaccines with less chance of dying from them, then maybe it woul be okay to use them, but we have safer ones, so we don't need to get those people into the risk of dying from the vaccine that they hoped will save them from the virus many of them would've never gotten.
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