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Post by Roman on Feb 25, 2021 2:34:18 GMT -5
Does anyone know much about the vaccine? It arrived here recently and they hope to have the full rollout by October. I'll get mine when it's my turn. It just seems to have come out of nowhere. Like did it come from a specific group or did a number of organisations need to work together? Are they still working on it or is this the trial vaccine? I'm fairly confident in its safety as to reach our market it has to go through rigorous testing, but somewhat reluctant taking one that is so new (and rushed? it was predicted we wouldn't get one til next year) Ah well... everyone's getting jabbed so worse comes to worst we're all in the same boat 🤣 (I don't think anything drastic will result, just confronting being the 'testers' of it). Edit: On that note, I suppose that's the price you pay for a chance at protection. I remember I was going to sit as a trial for a new flu vaccine so I guess this has thrown me bc it's a new virus?? I did a bit of research on it, and they can't say for much certainty how effective it will be in the long-term, but I don't think I've seen anywhere claim it's not safe (except perhaps certain spaces and communities which I pay no attention to 🤣) I’ve been following it closely. And I read an extensive report on the Pfizer vaccine. At the moment there are about 5 different vaccines available. And more different producers will follow shortly. The safety of these vaccines will be okay, because they have to go through strict procedures. Although we can’t really say much about hidden or long term side-effect, because there’s limited data. Pfizer (in cooperation with the BioNTech) succeeded this quickly, because luckily they could use an existing virus technique on the corona virus. So the method was chosen almost immediately. It was a matter of development and throwing resources at it to get it through the trial stages and get it produced. The vaccine is pretty good. You need two doses (a few weeks apart). First dosis will protect about 60%, second dosis will up that to 96% protection. Current data even show a better percentage. There’s some doubt how long it will last. It will last at least 6 months. They’re looking into a possible third dosis which would probably protect you for many years. There are two major problems with vaccines. It’s hard to produce enough for so many countries. They’re already producing 24/7 and other companies are chipping in to speed up the process. For the longer term production will be fine. But of course, everyone wants it today. Second problem is that not every vaccine is that effective. Moderna produced a vaccine similar to Pfizer, same effectiveness (same science). But other vaccines show less effectiveness, only about 60%. And some vaccines are not working well for older people. Two of those vaccines are the one from AstraZeneca and the one from Johnson&Johnson (collab with a Dutch university). Sadly the AstraZeneca one was bet on big by many countries in Europe. I understand why, because it’s developed in partnership with Oxford university and they were the first to come out with promising news about the progress they made. If the news is correct Australia will get some of the Pfizer vaccine, but mostly the AstraZeneca one. I’m a little worried they will just vaccinate people with whatever they can get. Without taking into consideration if it will protect enough and will protect the right people. Logically you should use Pfizer on older people and reserve the AstraZeneca one for people below 60. |
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Post by SomeFearlessChick on Feb 25, 2021 3:00:23 GMT -5
Does anyone know much about the vaccine? It arrived here recently and they hope to have the full rollout by October. I'll get mine when it's my turn. It just seems to have come out of nowhere. Like did it come from a specific group or did a number of organisations need to work together? Are they still working on it or is this the trial vaccine? I'm fairly confident in its safety as to reach our market it has to go through rigorous testing, but somewhat reluctant taking one that is so new (and rushed? it was predicted we wouldn't get one til next year) Ah well... everyone's getting jabbed so worse comes to worst we're all in the same boat 🤣 (I don't think anything drastic will result, just confronting being the 'testers' of it). Edit: On that note, I suppose that's the price you pay for a chance at protection. I remember I was going to sit as a trial for a new flu vaccine so I guess this has thrown me bc it's a new virus?? I did a bit of research on it, and they can't say for much certainty how effective it will be in the long-term, but I don't think I've seen anywhere claim it's not safe (except perhaps certain spaces and communities which I pay no attention to 🤣) It's not very easy to say, but the vaccines aren't in trial anymore. The current ones are from 3 different organisations. There's the ne from Biontech/Pfizer which seems to have a efficiency of more than 95% and it seems that it even make it unpossible to infect others. Then there is the Moderna one which is very similar to Biontech/Pfizer with just a sliglty lower efficiency but they don't know anything about the possibility to infect others with it. Then there is the AstraZeneca one which has another concept then the other ones, it's more a classic vaccine. It seems to have a efficiency of something around 75% and isn't allowed for older people, also it seems to have very nasty vaccine reactions for around 70% of the people who got it. THen there will be the Curevac one in a short time, but I don't know much about it yet. But a fact is that they got a emergency approval, that's the reason why it was so quick. I don't know exatly, but I think that means that the tests where shortened and the process of getting the approval was faster normal. I meant like, we as a population are like the first testers of it. I know about trials  but to know the true impact of a vaccine can be unforseen for a number of years. |
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Post by SomeFearlessChick on Feb 25, 2021 3:30:07 GMT -5
Does anyone know much about the vaccine? It arrived here recently and they hope to have the full rollout by October. I'll get mine when it's my turn. It just seems to have come out of nowhere. Like did it come from a specific group or did a number of organisations need to work together? Are they still working on it or is this the trial vaccine? I'm fairly confident in its safety as to reach our market it has to go through rigorous testing, but somewhat reluctant taking one that is so new (and rushed? it was predicted we wouldn't get one til next year) Ah well... everyone's getting jabbed so worse comes to worst we're all in the same boat 🤣 (I don't think anything drastic will result, just confronting being the 'testers' of it). Edit: On that note, I suppose that's the price you pay for a chance at protection. I remember I was going to sit as a trial for a new flu vaccine so I guess this has thrown me bc it's a new virus?? I did a bit of research on it, and they can't say for much certainty how effective it will be in the long-term, but I don't think I've seen anywhere claim it's not safe (except perhaps certain spaces and communities which I pay no attention to 🤣) I’ve been following it closely. And I read an extensive report on the Pfizer vaccine. At the moment there are about 5 different vaccines available. And more different producers will follow shortly. The safety of these vaccines will be okay, because they have to go through strict procedures. Although we can’t really say much about hidden or long term side-effect, because there’s limited data. Pfizer (in cooperation with the BioNTech) succeeded this quickly, because luckily they could use an existing virus technique on the corona virus. So the method was chosen almost immediately. It was a matter of development and throwing resources at it to get it through the trial stages and get it produced. The vaccine is pretty good. You need two doses (a few weeks apart). First dosis will protect about 60%, second dosis will up that to 96% protection. Current data even show a better percentage. There’s some doubt how long it will last. It will last at least 6 months. They’re looking into a possible third dosis which would probably protect you for many years. There are two major problems with vaccines. It’s hard to produce enough for so many countries. They’re already producing 24/7 and other companies are chipping in to speed up the process. For the longer term production will be fine. But of course, everyone wants it today. Second problem is that not every vaccine is that effective. Moderna produced a vaccine similar to Pfizer, same effectiveness (same science). But other vaccines show less effectiveness, only about 60%. And some vaccines are not working well for older people. Two of those vaccines are the one from AstraZeneca and the one from Johnson&Johnson (collab with a Dutch university). Sadly the AstraZeneca one was bet on big by many countries in Europe. I understand why, because it’s developed in partnership with Oxford university and they were the first to come out with promising news about the progress they made. If the news is correct Australia will get some of the Pfizer vaccine, but mostly the AstraZeneca one. I’m a little worried they will just vaccinate people with whatever they can get. Without taking into consideration if it will protect enough and will protect the right people. Logically you should use Pfizer on older people and reserve the AstraZeneca one for people below 60. Yeah, we have Pfizer for older people. I just don't know what to make of the whole thing. I am just as grateful for a vaccine as the next person, but we aren't in an emergency situation for it, haven't been for at least six months. I can understand administering it for countries who really need it, but it's a shame other governments couldn't get it together and begin to control the virus 12 months ago. We are so dependent on having a fix for everything. I keep thinking about how people in wartime could be in isolation for years, without modern entertainment, but mere months was a struggle for governments and citizens alike in 2020... I know it's not the same thing but will we learn anything from 2020? To be continued I guess... |
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Post by Roman on Feb 25, 2021 4:03:35 GMT -5
I’ve been following it closely. And I read an extensive report on the Pfizer vaccine. At the moment there are about 5 different vaccines available. And more different producers will follow shortly. The safety of these vaccines will be okay, because they have to go through strict procedures. Although we can’t really say much about hidden or long term side-effect, because there’s limited data. Pfizer (in cooperation with the BioNTech) succeeded this quickly, because luckily they could use an existing virus technique on the corona virus. So the method was chosen almost immediately. It was a matter of development and throwing resources at it to get it through the trial stages and get it produced. The vaccine is pretty good. You need two doses (a few weeks apart). First dosis will protect about 60%, second dosis will up that to 96% protection. Current data even show a better percentage. There’s some doubt how long it will last. It will last at least 6 months. They’re looking into a possible third dosis which would probably protect you for many years. There are two major problems with vaccines. It’s hard to produce enough for so many countries. They’re already producing 24/7 and other companies are chipping in to speed up the process. For the longer term production will be fine. But of course, everyone wants it today. Second problem is that not every vaccine is that effective. Moderna produced a vaccine similar to Pfizer, same effectiveness (same science). But other vaccines show less effectiveness, only about 60%. And some vaccines are not working well for older people. Two of those vaccines are the one from AstraZeneca and the one from Johnson&Johnson (collab with a Dutch university). Sadly the AstraZeneca one was bet on big by many countries in Europe. I understand why, because it’s developed in partnership with Oxford university and they were the first to come out with promising news about the progress they made. If the news is correct Australia will get some of the Pfizer vaccine, but mostly the AstraZeneca one. I’m a little worried they will just vaccinate people with whatever they can get. Without taking into consideration if it will protect enough and will protect the right people. Logically you should use Pfizer on older people and reserve the AstraZeneca one for people below 60. Yeah, we have Pfizer for older people. I just don't know what to make of the whole thing. I am just as grateful for a vaccine as the next person, but we aren't in an emergency situation for it, haven't been for at least six months. I can understand administering it for countries who really need it, but it's a shame other governments couldn't get it together and begin to control the virus 12 months ago. We are so dependent on having a fix for everything and I keep thinking about how people in wartime could be in isolation for years, without the modern entertainment we have now, and I know it's not the same thing, but like will we learn anything from 2020? To be continued I guess... It’s shocking indeed. People complain like we’re in wartime and use covid as an excuse for every obstacle in life. I think it’s cheap to blame it on governments. Most governments have done a lot to get this under control and help people out. Sure they could’ve done better. They probably should’ve enforced strict rules continuously, because many don’t take responsibility themselves. The blame is on many of us. This could’ve been over rather quickly. But too many people refuse to put their luxurious life on hold. Even the smallest sacrifice is too much to ask. Even people close to me didn’t do the right thing. It has become a sport to dodge the rules and find loopholes in the restrictions. Instead of doing what is necessary to beat the virus, people are battling the government as if the government is the enemy who brought this upon us and is holding them back. I fully agree that probably we won’t learn anything from this. One would expect we would rethink the whole globalization and travel madness. That we would examine economical systems and change them for the better. But the majority is only interested in running back to the same lifestyle they had before the pandemic. |
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Post by SomeFearlessChick on Feb 25, 2021 4:25:42 GMT -5
Yeah, we have Pfizer for older people. I just don't know what to make of the whole thing. I am just as grateful for a vaccine as the next person, but we aren't in an emergency situation for it, haven't been for at least six months. I can understand administering it for countries who really need it, but it's a shame other governments couldn't get it together and begin to control the virus 12 months ago. We are so dependent on having a fix for everything and I keep thinking about how people in wartime could be in isolation for years, without the modern entertainment we have now, and I know it's not the same thing, but like will we learn anything from 2020? To be continued I guess... It’s shocking indeed. People complain like we’re in wartime and use covid as an excuse for every obstacle in life. I think it’s cheap to blame it on governments. Most governments have done a lot to get this under control and help people out. Sure they could’ve done better. They probably should’ve enforced strict rules continuously, because many don’t take responsibility themselves. The blame is on many of us. This could’ve been over rather quickly. But too many people refuse to put their luxurious life on hold. Even the smallest sacrifice is too much to ask. Even people close to me didn’t do the right thing. It has become a sport to dodge the rules and find loopholes in the restrictions. Instead of doing what is necessary to beat the virus, people are battling the government as if the government is the enemy who brought this upon us and is holding them back. I fully agree that probably we won’t learn anything from this. One would expect we would rethink the whole globalization and travel madness. That we would examine economical systems and change them for the better. But the majority is only interested in running back to the same lifestyle they had before the pandemic. I'm blaming governments from my perspective. I can only speak from my perspective and what I've experienced and it's such a dramatic difference listening to international tennis stars come here and complain about having to self-isolate, yet they are gobsmacked that we have a new normal and there is no chaos here. Celebrities are moving here because of it, and that's another issue. I also don't know how I feel about that, not overly joyed, unless they bring some economic value to our entertainment industry as well. Anyway, as I said, it's very hard to take in what else is going on in the world but officials have praised our government on how they handled things and our geographic location has nothing to do with how many or few idiots there are. We'd have just as many selfish people here, but when you're not offered any avenues to be as such, you have no choice but to suck it up. That's all I'm going to say on the topic. I get that my country is different in many ways to Europe and elsewhere, but I also know that by cracking down, business can get done. I'm looking forward to travelling again, but I also think we need to look at how this (and many other) virus began.. The world is causing horrific damage by mass production of food and animal products...but will it get to the point where I walk into a supermarket and the shelves don't have just what I need anymore? It's a troublesome pill to swallow. |
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Post by The 13th Martyr from Cavite on Feb 25, 2021 4:25:45 GMT -5
Does anyone know much about the vaccine? It arrived here recently and they hope to have the full rollout by October. I'll get mine when it's my turn. It just seems to have come out of nowhere. Like did it come from a specific group or did a number of organisations need to work together? Are they still working on it or is this the trial vaccine? I'm fairly confident in its safety as to reach our market it has to go through rigorous testing, but somewhat reluctant taking one that is so new (and rushed? it was predicted we wouldn't get one til next year) Ah well... everyone's getting jabbed so worse comes to worst we're all in the same boat 🤣 (I don't think anything drastic will result, just confronting being the 'testers' of it). Edit: On that note, I suppose that's the price you pay for a chance at protection. I remember I was going to sit as a trial for a new flu vaccine so I guess this has thrown me bc it's a new virus?? I did a bit of research on it, and they can't say for much certainty how effective it will be in the long-term, but I don't think I've seen anywhere claim it's not safe (except perhaps certain spaces and communities which I pay no attention to 🤣) I’ve been following it closely. And I read an extensive report on the Pfizer vaccine. At the moment there are about 5 different vaccines available. And more different producers will follow shortly. The safety of these vaccines will be okay, because they have to go through strict procedures. Although we can’t really say much about hidden or long term side-effect, because there’s limited data. Pfizer (in cooperation with the BioNTech) succeeded this quickly, because luckily they could use an existing virus technique on the corona virus. So the method was chosen almost immediately. It was a matter of development and throwing resources at it to get it through the trial stages and get it produced. The vaccine is pretty good. You need two doses (a few weeks apart). First dosis will protect about 60%, second dosis will up that to 96% protection. Current data even show a better percentage. There’s some doubt how long it will last. It will last at least 6 months. They’re looking into a possible third dosis which would probably protect you for many years. There are two major problems with vaccines. It’s hard to produce enough for so many countries. They’re already producing 24/7 and other companies are chipping in to speed up the process. For the longer term production will be fine. But of course, everyone wants it today. Second problem is that not every vaccine is that effective. Moderna produced a vaccine similar to Pfizer, same effectiveness (same science). But other vaccines show less effectiveness, only about 60%. And some vaccines are not working well for older people. Two of those vaccines are the one from AstraZeneca and the one from Johnson&Johnson (collab with a Dutch university). Sadly the AstraZeneca one was bet on big by many countries in Europe. I understand why, because it’s developed in partnership with Oxford university and they were the first to come out with promising news about the progress they made. If the news is correct Australia will get some of the Pfizer vaccine, but mostly the AstraZeneca one. I’m a little worried they will just vaccinate people with whatever they can get. Without taking into consideration if it will protect enough and will protect the right people. Logically you should use Pfizer on older people and reserve the AstraZeneca one for people below 60. Here in my side of the world, Sinopharm (from China) has also released their vaccine. They're making quite a buzz here, but for the wrong reasons. Efficacy rate is not very good. |
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Post by oliviabenson(Taylor's Version) on Feb 25, 2021 5:45:33 GMT -5
It's not very easy to say, but the vaccines aren't in trial anymore. The current ones are from 3 different organisations. There's the ne from Biontech/Pfizer which seems to have a efficiency of more than 95% and it seems that it even make it unpossible to infect others. Then there is the Moderna one which is very similar to Biontech/Pfizer with just a sliglty lower efficiency but they don't know anything about the possibility to infect others with it. Then there is the AstraZeneca one which has another concept then the other ones, it's more a classic vaccine. It seems to have a efficiency of something around 75% and isn't allowed for older people, also it seems to have very nasty vaccine reactions for around 70% of the people who got it. THen there will be the Curevac one in a short time, but I don't know much about it yet. But a fact is that they got a emergency approval, that's the reason why it was so quick. I don't know exatly, but I think that means that the tests where shortened and the process of getting the approval was faster normal. I meant like, we as a population are like the first testers of it. I know about trials but to know the true impact of a vaccine can be unforseen for a number of years. Ah sorry. The long term effects aren't really known yet for all of the vaccines. At least that's what they tell in media here. |
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Post by taytaytay on Feb 25, 2021 6:00:34 GMT -5
There probably won't be any real long term effects however, as every vaccine has been based off an already existing one except the infectious disease has obviously been changed so you have a different immune reaction. Obviously that's not a certainty, but it's not as if they've had to totally create a new vaccine technology for this situation!
There's also probably going to be a few new vaccines that come on the market in the next few months. I know in the UK at least there's a lot of talk about the Novavax one since we have a big order of it and it can be produced in the UK easily. I know if it's approved by the UK regulator, it's likely that that will be the vaccine most young people here get since it's easier to store than the Pfizer/Moderna vaccines and it's likely to be in heavy production towards the latter half of the year.
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Post by Roman on Feb 25, 2021 6:19:34 GMT -5
It’s shocking indeed. People complain like we’re in wartime and use covid as an excuse for every obstacle in life. I think it’s cheap to blame it on governments. Most governments have done a lot to get this under control and help people out. Sure they could’ve done better. They probably should’ve enforced strict rules continuously, because many don’t take responsibility themselves. The blame is on many of us. This could’ve been over rather quickly. But too many people refuse to put their luxurious life on hold. Even the smallest sacrifice is too much to ask. Even people close to me didn’t do the right thing. It has become a sport to dodge the rules and find loopholes in the restrictions. Instead of doing what is necessary to beat the virus, people are battling the government as if the government is the enemy who brought this upon us and is holding them back. I fully agree that probably we won’t learn anything from this. One would expect we would rethink the whole globalization and travel madness. That we would examine economical systems and change them for the better. But the majority is only interested in running back to the same lifestyle they had before the pandemic. I'm blaming governments from my perspective. I can only speak from my perspective and what I've experienced and it's such a dramatic difference listening to international tennis stars come here and complain about having to self-isolate, yet they are gobsmacked that we have a new normal and there is no chaos here. Celebrities are moving here because of it, and that's another issue. I also don't know how I feel about that, not overly joyed, unless they bring some economic value to our entertainment industry as well. Anyway, as I said, it's very hard to take in what else is going on in the world but officials have praised our government on how they handled things and our geographic location has nothing to do with how many or few idiots there are. We'd have just as many selfish people here, but when you're not offered any avenues to be as such, you have no choice but to suck it up. That's all I'm going to say on the topic. I get that my country is different in many ways to Europe and elsewhere, but I also know that by cracking down, business can get done. I'm looking forward to travelling again, but I also think we need to look at how this (and many other) virus began.. The world is causing horrific damage by mass production of food and animal products...but will it get to the point where I walk into a supermarket and the shelves don't have just what I need anymore? It's a troublesome pill to swallow. Australia is big and the population is small. And your biggest advantage is that everyone going in and out of the country has to fly. You guys are doing a good job on having strict rules for entering the country (also outside of covid). That makes it a lot easier to solve the problem on your own. I don’t know if you have ever been to Europe, but it’s really crowded. You guys would probably perceive it as one big city. Even if you would want to solve the problem as a single country, it would be really difficult. Another big issue are certain groups of immigrants. I know this is a touchy subject. But they are culturally different. They are used to hang out with family and friends daily in small spaces. And they don’t trust the government. They are first to rebel. A lot of them won’t even take the vaccine. |
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Post by Roman on Feb 25, 2021 6:22:27 GMT -5
There probably won't be any real long term effects however, as every vaccine has been based off an already existing one except the infectious disease has obviously been changed so you have a different immune reaction. Obviously that's not a certainty, but it's not as if they've had to totally create a new vaccine technology for this situation! There's also probably going to be a few new vaccines that come on the market in the next few months. I know in the UK at least there's a lot of talk about the Novavax one since we have a big order of it and it can be produced in the UK easily. I know if it's approved by the UK regulator, it's likely that that will be the vaccine most young people here get since it's easier to store than the Pfizer/Moderna vaccines and it's likely to be in heavy production towards the latter half of the year. Yeah, production wise it will improve dramatically as time goes on. I understand the impatience. But we even made a lot of progress over the last month. In a few more months vaccinations will go rapidly. |
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Post by chantel on Feb 26, 2021 19:06:36 GMT -5
Why do they make the vaccine sound so violent? Whenever anyone on the news here talks about it they always yell "SHOTS IN THE ARM TO EVERY AMERICAN". Like we know it's going into people's arms so why do they have to tell us that every time lol. And it's literally every news caster and politician that says it like that. It's so weird that they can't just say every American needs to be vaccinated.
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Post by oliviabenson(Taylor's Version) on Feb 27, 2021 2:33:34 GMT -5
Why do they make the vaccine sound so violent? Whenever anyone on the news here talks about it they always yell "SHOTS IN THE ARM TO EVERY AMERICAN". Like we know it's going into people's arms so why do they have to tell us that every time lol. And it's literally every news caster and politician that says it like that. It's so weird that they can't just say every American needs to be vaccinated. Do they really say that? Sounds a bit odd  |
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Post by chantel on Feb 27, 2021 12:50:42 GMT -5
Why do they make the vaccine sound so violent? Whenever anyone on the news here talks about it they always yell "SHOTS IN THE ARM TO EVERY AMERICAN". Like we know it's going into people's arms so why do they have to tell us that every time lol. And it's literally every news caster and politician that says it like that. It's so weird that they can't just say every American needs to be vaccinated. Do they really say that? Sounds a bit odd Yeah it's very odd that they say it like that |
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Post by The 13th Martyr from Cavite on Feb 28, 2021 3:43:31 GMT -5
The first shipment of Sinovac vaccines has just arrived in my country today. We're also expecting AstraZeneca's shots to arrive tomorrow.
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Post by Roman on Feb 28, 2021 8:50:57 GMT -5
Because of the vaccines and better weather on the way, in the back of my mind I expect the pandemic to be over this year. That might be too optimistic. On the bright side: life is not worse than normal. Social distancing is my thing. Even if everything gets back to normal eventually, I will seriously evaluate what I will leave out permanently.
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but to know the true impact of a vaccine can be unforseen for a number of years.
