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Post by oliviabenson(Taylor's Version) on Feb 15, 2021 15:23:34 GMT -5
You can always watch or listen what you boght on a disc, nothing that is on a disc brings money for someone after you bought it. And I would always buy or stream stuff that is from her old label, Wether Taylor nor Big Machine and their new owners would really be hurt (in money or else) if you listen to stuff from the other. I'm pretty sure that I get a complete shitstorm for saying this, but this whole discussion about don't listening to her older music because it's owned by Big Machine is a bit like kindergarden behaviour when two or more 5 year old kids ae arguing or fighting about something. I think the fans made more out of it than it really is (in Germany we have a saying like: They made an elephant from a fly). You might as well have tagged me. I’m still going to enjoy the originals, too, but I am going to make sure that I never give another cent to those a**h*l*s at Big Machine ever again. At least as far as Taylor’s music goes. I’ve been hoping Lady A and Florida Georgia Line would switch labels but they either don’t want to or can’t right now but I’m not going to punish them by illegally downloading their music. I don’t understand why Taylor herself saying she was never given the opportunity to own her own work and how she’s upset by this wasn’t enough for all of her fans to sympathize with her. I’m just so lost that some people think Big Machine did nothing wrong. Maybe not from a business point of view. But how can Scott act like a friend or maybe extended family member even to Taylor all those years and end up selling her music to someone that she asked him not to sell it to? Why did he not think “Maybe Taylor would like to own her music...?” because what sense does it make for anyone other than the artist to own the music? I have seen some people say we should act like the originals never existed which is stupid, to me. Without them, we wouldn’t be getting these re-recorded albums. There’s nothing wrong with listening to those CDs and still loving them even after all of the re-recorded albums are out. But, speaking for myself, I want to see Taylor own her music and I will only stream/buy her versions from here on out. Unless I spot one of the original CDs in a secondhand store. Furthermore, it’s going to really irritate me if people are going to start saying things like “Ugh, Taylor needs to get over this.” She was betrayed and deeply hurt. You don’t just “get over” things like that. If she wants to continue to talk about her feelings towards the situation and take shots at them, I believe she has every right to. The thing is, even if we don't like it, the music business is, like the name says, a business, a hard business. Things like ownerships of rights are declared in every contract. Sure Scott could've asked Taylor to own her music, but if he would've done that, he would've had to ask every other artist on Big Machine too. I can understand somehow that Taylor was or is upset about it, but there is the part that she signed the contract where it is written in, so she must've known that something like that could happen. Also if we just don't give money to Big Machine (in which way doesn't matter) we also hurt those other artists that are under contract there and have nothing to do with this situation. Sure we don't ave to be a fan of the label, but I wouldn't say that Big Machine is the big devil and that's it. Every story as two sides, and I think that both sides are rght somehow. |
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Post by SomeFearlessChick on Feb 17, 2021 20:50:10 GMT -5
I would like to add a suggestion for the mods when organising this part of the forum - I think we will need sub-sub forums, perhaps the BM albums in one section, and Lover and so-forth in another? Like the 2006-2017 section, then 2019-, or group the re-releases together with their originals, or in a section of their own just called 'Taylor Versions' or something. I just think it will get a bit messy if there's a continuum of each release, one after another.
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Post by piratenovelist on Feb 17, 2021 21:01:15 GMT -5
I would like to add a suggestion for the mods when organising this part of the forum - I think we will need sub-sub forums, perhaps the BM albums in one section, and Lover and so-forth in another? Like the 2006-2017 section, then 2019-, or group the re-releases together with their originals, or in a section of their own just called 'Taylor Versions' or something. I just think it will get a bit messy if there's a continuum of each release, one after another. Quoting to second this! |
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Post by taryn on Feb 21, 2021 22:00:43 GMT -5
Everyday closer, is another day I'm going to get to here Forever & Always for the first time again.
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Post by piratenovelist on Feb 21, 2021 22:04:46 GMT -5
wlef;wmafl Everyday closer, is another day I'm going to get to here Forever & Always for the first time again. The vinyl may be dropping in August, but.... it's 4 days after my 30th bday that the album drops so I am going to grab the cd at target. I am so used to the platinum track list that my brain didn't connect the original tracklist at first XD Still I am excited and it's tied for the most I have spent on a single RETAIL vinyl record |
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Post by Roman on Feb 22, 2021 10:53:01 GMT -5
With the revival of Taylor’s older albums, we might help new Swifties to get to know the real Taylor. And in case we ever have concerts again, everyone can sing along with her greatest hits.
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Post by The 13th Martyr from Cavite on Feb 22, 2021 21:37:40 GMT -5
I just heard Love Story (TSV) on a local radio station here in my country as part of their normal playlist will all other current hits. I'll try to listen to that station again on Friday to see if they still play the Big Machine version as part of their throwback playlist. (That station plays songs from 1990 to 2009 every Friday.)
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Post by SomeFearlessChick on Feb 24, 2021 22:56:43 GMT -5
Here's the thing... I don't want to wait til April 9th... I want it now
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Post by SomeFearlessChick on Feb 26, 2021 8:17:54 GMT -5
The Other Side Of The Door.. Superstar.. Hey Stephen.. Breathe.. The Way I Loved You.. Forever & Always.. Today Was A Fairytale.. the vault..  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 10:48:59 GMT -5
The Other Side Of The Door.. Superstar.. Hey Stephen.. Breathe.. The Way I Loved You.. Forever & Always.. Today Was A Fairytale.. the vault.. Superstar is still one of my favorite Taylor songs, she captured the fangirl experience so magically. XD |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 10:59:12 GMT -5
If she changes her lyrics to fit that crowd I'm gonna be pissed. Better Than Revenge better not get some adjustment... I know how you feel about the Miss Americana documentary but it would be hypocritical of her to keep the original lyrics after what she said in the documentary. Plus, I believe a few years after Speak Now came out, she said in an interview that she regrets that one line. I’m not 100% sure on that, though. I vaguely remember someone talking about it. It’s sad because no matter what she does with that song, people are going to be upset. If she keeps it the same, people are going to attack her. If she changes just that one line, people are going to attack her. If she leaves it off the re-recorded version of Speak Now, people are going to attack her. She is going to be attacked no matter what in this case I think. As you said. I don't want her to alter history. I love Better Than Revenge. I also love Misery Business which some discussed. I like Permanent Marker. I think it is ridiculous that to be a feminist you have to walk on eggshells and act like you never have any argument or negative feeling toward another woman. We are human. We say stupid things when we're mad or petty. It is partof the emotional experience. It is part of the reason I loved Taylor, her feelings were raw, not manufactured. 1989 felt like a manufactured album and era which is why I hated that era and why I hate most of Lover era too. I don't want her to now go back and "manufacture" all her old work to be perfect and stay in the lines. Her real fans aren't going to sit around and do that anyway. She's so big everything she does will be microscoped and scrutinized. I understand maybe adding a disclaimer of saying "this was an emotion I had at the time and moment but it doesn't represent my feelings of the situation now" or something. But it disgruntles me that now we're going to censor art in the name of being "correct". And art is supposed to be raw and emotional and uncensored. I don't like that aspect from anyone period. I don't go around telling artists I dislike musically or lyrically to not do what they do - I just choose not to listen to it. If those people feel so badly about BTR then they can do the same. No artists should be told they have to rewrite their art because a bunch of keyboard warriors got upset. |
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Post by Roman on Feb 27, 2021 12:09:33 GMT -5
I know how you feel about the Miss Americana documentary but it would be hypocritical of her to keep the original lyrics after what she said in the documentary. Plus, I believe a few years after Speak Now came out, she said in an interview that she regrets that one line. I’m not 100% sure on that, though. I vaguely remember someone talking about it. It’s sad because no matter what she does with that song, people are going to be upset. If she keeps it the same, people are going to attack her. If she changes just that one line, people are going to attack her. If she leaves it off the re-recorded version of Speak Now, people are going to attack her. She is going to be attacked no matter what in this case I think. As you said. I don't want her to alter history. I love Better Than Revenge. I also love Misery Business which some discussed. I like Permanent Marker. I think it is ridiculous that to be a feminist you have to walk on eggshells and act like you never have any argument or negative feeling toward another woman. We are human. We say stupid things when we're mad or petty. It is partof the emotional experience. It is part of the reason I loved Taylor, her feelings were raw, not manufactured. 1989 felt like a manufactured album and era which is why I hated that era and why I hate most of Lover era too. I don't want her to now go back and "manufacture" all her old work to be perfect and stay in the lines. Her real fans aren't going to sit around and do that anyway. She's so big everything she does will be microscoped and scrutinized. I understand maybe adding a disclaimer of saying "this was an emotion I had at the time and moment but it doesn't represent my feelings of the situation now" or something. But it disgruntles me that now we're going to censor art in the name of being "correct". And art is supposed to be raw and emotional and uncensored. I don't like that aspect from anyone period. I don't go around telling artists I dislike musically or lyrically to not do what they do - I just choose not to listen to it. If those people feel so badly about BTR then they can do the same. No artists should be told they have to rewrite their art because a bunch of keyboard warriors got upset. As soon as you speak, you risk offending someone. But you can't let that hold you back, since not speaking isn't an option. The whole identity politics, woke movement and outrage culture is something we have to withstand firmly. Otherwise it will seriously affect our freedom of speech and lead to dangerous censorship. Taylor needs to ignore the criticism and stand by her work. It's actually a good lesson for her. Seeing the preposterous reaction to this should teach her to stay away from radical feminist ideology (and other ideologies). |
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Post by chantel on Feb 27, 2021 12:44:01 GMT -5
I know how you feel about the Miss Americana documentary but it would be hypocritical of her to keep the original lyrics after what she said in the documentary. Plus, I believe a few years after Speak Now came out, she said in an interview that she regrets that one line. I’m not 100% sure on that, though. I vaguely remember someone talking about it. It’s sad because no matter what she does with that song, people are going to be upset. If she keeps it the same, people are going to attack her. If she changes just that one line, people are going to attack her. If she leaves it off the re-recorded version of Speak Now, people are going to attack her. She is going to be attacked no matter what in this case I think. As you said. I don't want her to alter history. I love Better Than Revenge. I also love Misery Business which some discussed. I like Permanent Marker. I think it is ridiculous that to be a feminist you have to walk on eggshells and act like you never have any argument or negative feeling toward another woman. We are human. We say stupid things when we're mad or petty. It is partof the emotional experience. It is part of the reason I loved Taylor, her feelings were raw, not manufactured. 1989 felt like a manufactured album and era which is why I hated that era and why I hate most of Lover era too. I don't want her to now go back and "manufacture" all her old work to be perfect and stay in the lines. Her real fans aren't going to sit around and do that anyway. She's so big everything she does will be microscoped and scrutinized. I understand maybe adding a disclaimer of saying "this was an emotion I had at the time and moment but it doesn't represent my feelings of the situation now" or something. But it disgruntles me that now we're going to censor art in the name of being "correct". And art is supposed to be raw and emotional and uncensored. I don't like that aspect from anyone period. I don't go around telling artists I dislike musically or lyrically to not do what they do - I just choose not to listen to it. If those people feel so badly about BTR then they can do the same. No artists should be told they have to rewrite their art because a bunch of keyboard warriors got upset. I like BTR a lot. I'm pretty indifferent on what she'll do for the rerelease. I don't care either way but I think the "problem" with the song is beyond just being negative towards that one woman that is the subject of the song. It sounds like "Slut!" (Taylor's Version)(From The Vault) shaming which that type of thing negatively affects women as a whole. If she no longer supports that sentiment I don't know why she'd include it. |
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Post by chantel on Feb 27, 2021 12:46:06 GMT -5
"beautiful person shaming" lol
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Post by oliviabenson(Taylor's Version) on Feb 27, 2021 13:05:47 GMT -5
I know how you feel about the Miss Americana documentary but it would be hypocritical of her to keep the original lyrics after what she said in the documentary. Plus, I believe a few years after Speak Now came out, she said in an interview that she regrets that one line. I’m not 100% sure on that, though. I vaguely remember someone talking about it. It’s sad because no matter what she does with that song, people are going to be upset. If she keeps it the same, people are going to attack her. If she changes just that one line, people are going to attack her. If she leaves it off the re-recorded version of Speak Now, people are going to attack her. She is going to be attacked no matter what in this case I think. As you said. I don't want her to alter history. I love Better Than Revenge. I also love Misery Business which some discussed. I like Permanent Marker. I think it is ridiculous that to be a feminist you have to walk on eggshells and act like you never have any argument or negative feeling toward another woman. We are human. We say stupid things when we're mad or petty. It is partof the emotional experience. It is part of the reason I loved Taylor, her feelings were raw, not manufactured. 1989 felt like a manufactured album and era which is why I hated that era and why I hate most of Lover era too. I don't want her to now go back and "manufacture" all her old work to be perfect and stay in the lines. Her real fans aren't going to sit around and do that anyway. She's so big everything she does will be microscoped and scrutinized. I understand maybe adding a disclaimer of saying "this was an emotion I had at the time and moment but it doesn't represent my feelings of the situation now" or something. But it disgruntles me that now we're going to censor art in the name of being "correct". And art is supposed to be raw and emotional and uncensored. I don't like that aspect from anyone period. I don't go around telling artists I dislike musically or lyrically to not do what they do - I just choose not to listen to it. If those people feel so badly about BTR then they can do the same. No artists should be told they have to rewrite their art because a bunch of keyboard warriors got upset. I really hope she doesn't alternate Better Than Revenge, it's one of my all-time favourites. Also she re-records her old albums, the song was exactly that way on her old album, so it has to be in that way on the re-recorded album. The only possible way to make everyone get what they want is to make two versions, one with original lyrics and one with a version of Better Than Revenge with a alternated line, so you have a "clean" version of it. |
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