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Post by underlinehad on Sept 6, 2018 7:12:12 GMT -5
Something I've thought for a long time is finally proven true and the explanation for it is interesting... The video is long (twenty minutes), but it's well-worth watching and listening to especially. Please don't dismiss it just because of the pictures of the two singers that are shown first...
I'm also interested in what other members might think of it, do they agree with it or no? I'm not wanting to start any fights here, just genuinely interested in peoples' opinions on it.
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Post by MyCastleCrumbledOvernight on Sept 6, 2018 8:40:42 GMT -5
The first thing is, modern music being “AWFUL” is an opinion in itself. This video sounds like a twenty minute version of what my father lectures all the time. Do I agree with it? Of course. I disagree that the music is bad, but I understand what this guy is saying and it makes perfect sense. For one, the older music he mentioned as the good stuff, isn’t my idea of the good stuff. I like older music, but not in this genre. And he is talking about songs that are on the charts. All Too Well was not #1 but it is modern music and it is a masterpiece. The whole RED album is what I would consider the best album of all time, although Speak Now and 1989 deserve credit as well. Those are not my favorite albums, but I recognize Speak Now is perfection and 1989 is simply the best pop album of all time. I don’t like it that much, but I understand it. I think RED is emotionally perfect, and I think that’s what we all look for in an album? I don’t know, but that’s what I often hear. The Beatles album he talked about was emotional, so... Anyway, I like all kinds of music and according to this video I have in fact been brainwashed. I don’t really see it that way, I don’t remember many times in life where a song hasn’t had to grow on me. The first thing I do when I hear a new song is study the lyrics, because as a songwriter it interests me to see what people write about. I have never forced myself to like a song, I like it a little bit on first listen or there wouldn’t be a second listen. And yes, I have had “what the hell is this” moments and I have later on liked the song. Although Hotline Bling, I only know all the words to it because it’s a terrible song and I like to listen to terrible music sometimes What he said at the end about liking it being all that matters but the art in music is dying, that isn’t exactly true. Like I said, chart toppers may have changed but there is still plenty of music out there that’s rarely talked about. And someday, Max Martin and Dr. Luke will die and music will take a new direction. But this is all simply my opinion, and I think in the end that is all a love for music is, an opinion.
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Post by underlinehad on Sept 6, 2018 10:26:29 GMT -5
The first thing is, modern music being “AWFUL” is an opinion in itself. This video sounds like a twenty minute version of what my father lectures all the time. Do I agree with it? Of course. I disagree that the music is bad, but I understand what this guy is saying and it makes perfect sense. For one, the older music he mentioned as the good stuff, isn’t my idea of the good stuff. I like older music, but not in this genre. And he is talking about songs that are on the charts. All Too Well was not #1 but it is modern music and it is a masterpiece. The whole RED album is what I would consider the best album of all time, although Speak Now and 1989 deserve credit as well. Those are not my favorite albums, but I recognize Speak Now is perfection and 1989 is simply the best pop album of all time. I don’t like it that much, but I understand it. I think RED is emotionally perfect, and I think that’s what we all look for in an album? I don’t know, but that’s what I often hear. The Beatles album he talked about was emotional, so... Anyway, I like all kinds of music and according to this video I have in fact been brainwashed. I don’t really see it that way, I don’t remember many times in life where a song hasn’t had to grow on me. The first thing I do when I hear a new song is study the lyrics, because as a songwriter it interests me to see what people write about. I have never forced myself to like a song, I like it a little bit on first listen or there wouldn’t be a second listen. And yes, I have had “what the hell is this” moments and I have later on liked the song. Although Hotline Bling, I only know all the words to it because it’s a terrible song and I like to listen to terrible music sometimes What he said at the end about liking it being all that matters but the art in music is dying, that isn’t exactly true. Like I said, chart toppers may have changed but there is still plenty of music out there that’s rarely talked about. And someday, Max Martin and Dr. Luke will die and music will take a new direction. But this is all simply my opinion, and I think in the end that is all a love for music is, an opinion. Well said, Reagan... thank you for taking the time to write this ... and to listen to the video...
Anyone else have a response to the video?
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Post by Roman on Sept 6, 2018 11:02:53 GMT -5
I saw this video before. The guy definitely has some good points and in general I would agree that music got worse over the last 15 years. The main reason is probably because artists are not that unique, many don’t make most of their music themselves. People are more focused on quick success than on quality nowadays. That’s why it bothers me that he names Taylor. Taylor is an exception to this, she makes the music herself and she does put dept in lyrics and music. And yes, she worked with Max Martin, but he and Shellback just helped out with what she already came up with. They didn’t hand her songs to sing, like they did with other artists.
There are also some other things that need to be put into this view: - the majority of music of every decade past and present is absolute garbage. - it’s unfair to compare The Beatles to Britney Spears. If you compare Taylor Swift to some fluffy 60’s act, you could conclude the other way around. - people get brainwashed by highly marketed songs. It boosts sales of those artists. But sales are not a measurement for quality. There still are quality bands/artists, you just don’t hear them much on the radio. - nowadays there are much more different music styles than in the old days. That’s a good thing.
I hope that in the near future people will take a bit more time to listen to music and be less of a slave to what’s “cool” or “popular”. These times should be the low point of music and from here it will get better again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 11:27:22 GMT -5
This video makes some valid points. I often have noticed that a great deal of the modern music that we listen to sounds similar. I think that this is mainly due to us living in a fast paced world combined with all the technology.
I agree with Reagan about the Red album. It is my very favorite of Taylor's albums and All Too Well is my favorite song that Taylor has composed and sang. In the video '73 Questions With Taylor Swift' she said that it took the longest amount of time for her to write All Too Well than any other song. Sometimes I find it just as nice to listen to accoustic performances of Taylor with just her voice and maybe her guitar or piano.
But I don't think that this concept of 'everyone sounding alike' is unique to the music business. Movies are also following this pattern. In the 20th century many of the movie stars had such distinct voices. Examples of this would be John Wayne, Humphrey Bogart, and Clark Gable. Their voices were very distinct and recognizable. Today I think most of the leading actors sound alike. But that's just my opinion.
Even when it comes to classical music. If you look at the music the major symphony orchestras perform today most of it was written centuries ago. Composers like Beethoven, Mozart, Tchaikovsky, etc. are in a league of their own. People are just in too much of a hurry in our modern world to compose music like they did.
But I am optimistic about the future concerning country and pop music. In addition to Taylor Swift, there are some others writing and singing some great music. And eventually the demand for more 'natural' music without some of the high-tech sound enhancing equipment may return.
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Post by MyCastleCrumbledOvernight on Sept 6, 2018 11:41:41 GMT -5
I think time periods have different kinds of music that sound the same, in the 50s you had the whole sha doo na dooop and in the 60s you had all that ahhhhhh XD I guess the 70s is known for disco? 80s brought along more modern pop I suppose and the 90s was rap or something... The early 2000s sound is clearly different from the one we are experiencing now. Music changes throughout time, who knows what’s coming next? We could keep on going foward but at some point I think we will go back, I’m starting to see this transition in country music and I’m sure it’s not the only genre that will do so. I would really be interested to see what this guy says about modern country music, as that is something I really can not stand (most of it) and I really see the stuff he’s talking about in pop music happening more so in country.
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Post by Roman on Sept 6, 2018 12:21:16 GMT -5
I think time periods have different kinds of music that sound the same, in the 50s you had the whole sha doo na dooop and in the 60s you had all that ahhhhhh XD I guess the 70s is known for disco? 80s brought along more modern pop I suppose and the 90s was rap or something... The early 2000s sound is clearly different from the one we are experiencing now. Music changes throughout time, who knows what’s coming next? We could keep on going foward but at some point I think we will go back, I’m starting to see this transition in country music and I’m sure it’s not the only genre that will do so. I would really be interested to see what this guy says about modern country music, as that is something I really can not stand (most of it) and I really see the stuff he’s talking about in pop music happening more so in country. 90’s were great with harder rock music and metal transferring into mainstream music. Also the start of grunge. Rap became more mainstream too. But back then rappers actually had tunes. 90’s probably had the best mix of old, new and a big variety of music for everyone. I agree with you that music in the old days was quite one sided soundwise. Only the best artists bothered to make quality music. And I can understand how you feel about country. I guess new country artists don’t want to stick to country, they want to become popular for everyone. Personally I’m sad that there are very few good rock bands nowadays. I don’t understand why that is. Rock is great and timeless.
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Post by MyCastleCrumbledOvernight on Sept 6, 2018 12:35:45 GMT -5
I think time periods have different kinds of music that sound the same, in the 50s you had the whole sha doo na dooop and in the 60s you had all that ahhhhhh XD I guess the 70s is known for disco? 80s brought along more modern pop I suppose and the 90s was rap or something... The early 2000s sound is clearly different from the one we are experiencing now. Music changes throughout time, who knows what’s coming next? We could keep on going foward but at some point I think we will go back, I’m starting to see this transition in country music and I’m sure it’s not the only genre that will do so. I would really be interested to see what this guy says about modern country music, as that is something I really can not stand (most of it) and I really see the stuff he’s talking about in pop music happening more so in country. 90’s were great with harder rock music and metal transferring into mainstream music. Also the start of grunge. Rap became more mainstream too. But back then rappers actually had tunes. 90’s probably had the best mix of old, new and a big variety of music for everyone. I agree with you that music in the old days was quite one sided soundwise. Only the best artists bothered to make quality music. And I can understand how you feel about country. I guess new country artists don’t want to stick to country, they want to become popular for everyone. Personally I’m sad that there are very few good rock bands nowadays. I don’t understand why that is. Rock is great and timeless. I personally hate rock Taylor might go that way though
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Post by Roman on Sept 6, 2018 13:58:31 GMT -5
90’s were great with harder rock music and metal transferring into mainstream music. Also the start of grunge. Rap became more mainstream too. But back then rappers actually had tunes. 90’s probably had the best mix of old, new and a big variety of music for everyone. I agree with you that music in the old days was quite one sided soundwise. Only the best artists bothered to make quality music. And I can understand how you feel about country. I guess new country artists don’t want to stick to country, they want to become popular for everyone. Personally I’m sad that there are very few good rock bands nowadays. I don’t understand why that is. Rock is great and timeless. I personally hate rock Taylor might go that way though I really hope Taylor will change to rock. She would be great at it and she has the band for it. And you don’t have to be afraid of rock. Quite a few Taylor songs could be considered soft rock and even normal rock.
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Post by MyCastleCrumbledOvernight on Sept 6, 2018 15:30:51 GMT -5
I personally hate rock Taylor might go that way though I really hope Taylor will change to rock. She would be great at it and she has the band for it. And you don’t have to be afraid of rock. Quite a few Taylor songs could be considered soft rock and even normal rock. Yeah, I like the kind of rock she does!
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Post by MyCastleCrumbledOvernight on Sept 6, 2018 15:36:46 GMT -5
Another thing is, I don’t think there’s any songs recorded today with real music, it’s all digital.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 18:51:16 GMT -5
This seriously seems like someone's hatred of modern pop music because it's not their precious Beatles or whatever other old artist. Their music hasn't suddenly disappeared or become illegal to listen to just because they are unfortunately not alive today or maybe have retired from the music scene. You can still listen to it. It's okay. He went on and on about artists today sounding similar but wouldn't it be the same problem if music was the same as it was in the 60's, 70's, 80's, etc.? Because then wouldn't everyone sound like The Beatles or Led Zeppelin or whoever? Personally, I've never thought songs on the radio today all sounded similar but I usually tune them out if it's not a song I like. So I'll take Delicate and Youngblood for example, those 2 songs sound nothing alike. And neither sound like Friends by Anne-Marie & Marshmello, The Middle by Maren Morris & Zedd, High Hopes by Panic! at the Disco, or whatever other song on the radio now.
All in all, I'm gonna keep listening to whoever I want to. If you wish music sounded like it did in the old days, well, go listen to it then.
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Post by SydneyPaige on Sept 6, 2018 19:35:37 GMT -5
Okay here's the thing, everyone's taste is different and NO ONE has the right to say that someone's taste is better than someone else's. Let's face it, all artists have good and bad songs. The Beatles have put out their fair share of ear worm, just made to sell or straight up confusing songs themselves. Am I supposed to believe that "I Am The Walrus" should be regarded as more than a really bad drug trip? Also not every song needs to have one million instruments to be good or deep prophetic lyrics to be listenable. Sometimes a song is good just in it's simplicity.
Do I think everything my generation releases is great? Absolutely not but, not everything released in the the 60's was great either. There's not too much difference between "baby, baby, baby oh" and "she loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah" I feel like people forget that the people who grew up in the 60's with led zeppelin and the beatles were told by their parents to turn their music down too. Music reflects the culture of the time. In the 60's rock and roll was still shiny and new and people were experimenting with it now, there have been so many technical advancements in how music can be made that people are trying to explore it in every way. I think we should just let artists do that.
It's just hard to listen to a video like this one and not hear anything but complete pretentiousness.
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Post by MyCastleCrumbledOvernight on Sept 6, 2018 20:25:49 GMT -5
Also... if every song was a masterpiece, then there wouldn’t really be any masterpieces because they wouldn’t stand out.
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Post by underlinehad on Sept 7, 2018 7:21:19 GMT -5
He does say that there are a number of very talented performers and groups around today but unfortunately most will never be heard because record companies don't want to take the risk of investing in them.
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