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Post by Roman on Aug 30, 2019 1:14:17 GMT -5
I'm the opposite, I love So It Goes but I'm still not into False God. Me too. '...So It Goes' is 10x better than 'False God' to me. I cannot get past the god awful jazz music in it. The saxophone parts are awful. If they cut that out or at least make it flow a bit more, it could be a decent song. Imo the title "False God" is off too. The analogy is not on point. She should've played the "divine"/"divinity" card instead. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 1:40:30 GMT -5
I got the 2nd deluxe edition (and did some awkward run thing up to the display) and it breaks my heart that a 16 year old Taylor felt like she needed to watch what she eats and lose weight. And...AND...she says she was dieting again. Not sure if that little part stomps on my heart more or the "This summer is the apocalypse." entry in 2016.
Speaking about her journal entries, I wonder what made her dig all her journals out and go through them.
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Aug 31, 2019 18:26:09 GMT -5
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Post by TaylorSwiftFan on Aug 31, 2019 18:26:09 GMT -5
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Post by TaylorSwiftFan on Aug 31, 2019 23:59:20 GMT -5
So it was the 'Lover' music video Taylor was filming when she did the 'The Archer' announcement livestream. She has the same pink striped shirt around her waist during the livestream as she did behind the scenes when she had an interview with 'CBS Sunday Morning'. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 0:48:59 GMT -5
So it was the 'Lover' music video Taylor was filming when she did the 'The Archer' announcement livestream. She has the same pink striped shirt around her waist during the livestream as she did behind the scenes when she had an interview with 'CBS Sunday Morning'. That was great to notice that Callie! You would be a wonderful detective!  |
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Post by Roman on Sept 1, 2019 10:48:13 GMT -5
Lover didn’t break the 1 million sold units mark in the US in the first week  That’s the first time Taylor failed at that since her debut album. Worldwide sales were 3 million units. That’s almost double the amount of previous albums. Do you guys think it’s because of Taylor’s political statements? |
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Post by taytaytay on Sept 1, 2019 10:51:16 GMT -5
Lover didn’t break the 1 million sold units mark in the US in the first week That’s the first time Taylor failed at that since her debut album. Worldwide sales were 3 million units. That’s almost double the amount of previous albums. Do you guys think it’s because of Taylor’s political statements? I don't think Fearless sold 1 million either, but I could be wrong It's honestly just streaming. She still had the biggest first week of the year, and by double. People just don't buy CDs any more and it's 1500 streams to count as 1 sale. I've asked around a few people, and no one I know has bought a CD in the last five years or if they have, it's been a Taylor album. |
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Post by Roman on Sept 1, 2019 12:12:51 GMT -5
Lover didn’t break the 1 million sold units mark in the US in the first week That’s the first time Taylor failed at that since her debut album. Worldwide sales were 3 million units. That’s almost double the amount of previous albums. Do you guys think it’s because of Taylor’s political statements? I don't think Fearless sold 1 million either, but I could be wrong It's honestly just streaming. She still had the biggest first week of the year, and by double. People just don't buy CDs any more and it's 1500 streams to count as 1 sale. I've asked around a few people, and no one I know has bought a CD in the last five years or if they have, it's been a Taylor album. I don’t know. One would expect the situation hasn’t changed that much over the last two year. Taylor did way more promotion for Lover, not to mention all the albums included in merch and stuff. It didn’t occur to me because I focused on Lover music wise. I thought it would bring more fans (back) to Taylor since Lover is higher quality than reputation. And some songs could even be popular in the country scene again. But I underestimated that Taylor probably alienated many people with her political messages. |
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Post by taytaytay on Sept 1, 2019 13:12:35 GMT -5
I don't think Fearless sold 1 million either, but I could be wrong It's honestly just streaming. She still had the biggest first week of the year, and by double. People just don't buy CDs any more and it's 1500 streams to count as 1 sale. I've asked around a few people, and no one I know has bought a CD in the last five years or if they have, it's been a Taylor album. I don’t know. One would expect the situation hasn’t changed that much over the last two year. Taylor did way more promotion for Lover, not to mention all the albums included in merch and stuff. It didn’t occur to me because I focused on Lover music wise. I thought it would bring more fans (back) to Taylor since Lover is higher quality than reputation. And some songs could even be popular in the country scene again. But I underestimated that Taylor probably alienated many people with her political messages. It has changed though. Look at Beyonce and Jay Z-Lemonade and 4:44 did pretty, selling 653,000 and 262,000 respectively. When they released Everything Is Love, which should've been huge combining both their star power, they only hit 123,000 first week and that was only a year after Jay Z had released his album, and this decrease was because it was a Tidal exclusive with little promotion. Doesn't mean the album was a flop as the songs had still accumulated 184,500,000 total plays, but the streaming era means sales are a lot worse. Merch won't have made that much difference as I know a lot of people who didn't redeem their links, and again tonnes of fans are international and couldn't redeem their sales. She's still sold over double what the Jonas Brothers sold as the previous biggest release of the year, and they also had merch and tour bundles that came with the album and their comeback was pretty highly anticipated. These days I think the only person who could hit 1 million sales is Adele, and I'd even question that because soccer moms are also coming around to streaming. To use some non-Taylor examples, if we take the top selling albums in the US each year we can see the decrease in pure sales. In 2016, 81.92% of sales of Views by Drake were pure sales. In 2017, 71.40% of Ed Sheeran's Divide were pure sales. In 2018, 21.86% of Drake's Scorpion sales were pure. Taylor is still bucking the decreasing trend with 78.32% physical sales, and considering this is her first album to go straight on streaming in the streaming era it seems pretty clear that the decrease in sales is due to streaming rather than to her losing fans. I honestly think if anything Taylor has gained fans recently. I'm a member of the LGBTQ+ society at my university and a lot of people who used to hate her gained respect for her after her Equality Act petition. There's been so many people online saying that they couldn't fault her for the things she's said about homophobia and sexism. If nothing else, London Boy became something of a meme over here and I think nearly every person under 30 in the UK has listened to it for the meme. It's just that much harder to gain big numbers when you have to stream it a ridiculous amount of times for it to count as one sale. |
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Post by Roman on Sept 1, 2019 13:59:50 GMT -5
I don’t know. One would expect the situation hasn’t changed that much over the last two year. Taylor did way more promotion for Lover, not to mention all the albums included in merch and stuff. It didn’t occur to me because I focused on Lover music wise. I thought it would bring more fans (back) to Taylor since Lover is higher quality than reputation. And some songs could even be popular in the country scene again. But I underestimated that Taylor probably alienated many people with her political messages. It has changed though. Look at Beyonce and Jay Z-Lemonade and 4:44 did pretty, selling 653,000 and 262,000 respectively. When they released Everything Is Love, which should've been huge combining both their star power, they only hit 123,000 first week and that was only a year after Jay Z had released his album, and this decrease was because it was a Tidal exclusive with little promotion. Doesn't mean the album was a flop as the songs had still accumulated 184,500,000 total plays, but the streaming era means sales are a lot worse. Merch won't have made that much difference as I know a lot of people who didn't redeem their links, and again tonnes of fans are international and couldn't redeem their sales. She's still sold over double what the Jonas Brothers sold as the previous biggest release of the year, and they also had merch and tour bundles that came with the album and their comeback was pretty highly anticipated. These days I think the only person who could hit 1 million sales is Adele, and I'd even question that because soccer moms are also coming around to streaming. To use some non-Taylor examples, if we take the top selling albums in the US each year we can see the decrease in pure sales. In 2016, 81.92% of sales of Views by Drake were pure sales. In 2017, 71.40% of Ed Sheeran's Divide were pure sales. In 2018, 21.86% of Drake's Scorpion sales were pure. Taylor is still bucking the decreasing trend with 78.32% physical sales, and considering this is her first album to go straight on streaming in the streaming era it seems pretty clear that the decrease in sales is due to streaming rather than to her losing fans. I honestly think if anything Taylor has gained fans recently. I'm a member of the LGBTQ+ society at my university and a lot of people who used to hate her gained respect for her after her Equality Act petition. There's been so many people online saying that they couldn't fault her for the things she's said about homophobia and sexism. If nothing else, London Boy became something of a meme over here and I think nearly every person under 30 in the UK has listened to it for the meme. It's just that much harder to gain big numbers when you have to stream it a ridiculous amount of times for it to count as one sale.  soccer moms Worldwide I think Taylor is doing really well. In the UK there are probably more fans now. But I’m not so sure about the US. Going against large groups of people who were her main fan base, can’t be good. Could be true that streaming is an additional problem that got bigger very recently. Taylor also put all the songs on Youtube immediately. |
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Post by taytaytay on Sept 1, 2019 14:10:35 GMT -5
It has changed though. Look at Beyonce and Jay Z-Lemonade and 4:44 did pretty, selling 653,000 and 262,000 respectively. When they released Everything Is Love, which should've been huge combining both their star power, they only hit 123,000 first week and that was only a year after Jay Z had released his album, and this decrease was because it was a Tidal exclusive with little promotion. Doesn't mean the album was a flop as the songs had still accumulated 184,500,000 total plays, but the streaming era means sales are a lot worse. Merch won't have made that much difference as I know a lot of people who didn't redeem their links, and again tonnes of fans are international and couldn't redeem their sales. She's still sold over double what the Jonas Brothers sold as the previous biggest release of the year, and they also had merch and tour bundles that came with the album and their comeback was pretty highly anticipated. These days I think the only person who could hit 1 million sales is Adele, and I'd even question that because soccer moms are also coming around to streaming. To use some non-Taylor examples, if we take the top selling albums in the US each year we can see the decrease in pure sales. In 2016, 81.92% of sales of Views by Drake were pure sales. In 2017, 71.40% of Ed Sheeran's Divide were pure sales. In 2018, 21.86% of Drake's Scorpion sales were pure. Taylor is still bucking the decreasing trend with 78.32% physical sales, and considering this is her first album to go straight on streaming in the streaming era it seems pretty clear that the decrease in sales is due to streaming rather than to her losing fans. I honestly think if anything Taylor has gained fans recently. I'm a member of the LGBTQ+ society at my university and a lot of people who used to hate her gained respect for her after her Equality Act petition. There's been so many people online saying that they couldn't fault her for the things she's said about homophobia and sexism. If nothing else, London Boy became something of a meme over here and I think nearly every person under 30 in the UK has listened to it for the meme. It's just that much harder to gain big numbers when you have to stream it a ridiculous amount of times for it to count as one sale. soccer moms Worldwide I think Taylor is doing really well. In the UK there are probably more fans now. But I’m not so sure about the US. Going against large groups of people who were her main fan base, can’t be good. Could be true that streaming is an additional problem that got bigger very recently. Taylor also put all the songs on Youtube immediately. Maybe someone in the US can comment on that? Streaming has boomed in ways that I think a lot of people didn't expect and I think a lot of it's due to promotion. You can barely go two minutes without seeing some sort of Spotify advert and they're constantly working with artists to get exclusive perks for their platform, Apple is always giving away free trials of Apple Music whenever you buy one of their products, and I'm pretty sure you get YouTube music included when you have YouTube premium. It's also allowing people to have wider music tastes and learn about music they never would've bought on CD, which is why you often see loads of random songs doing extremely well. How many people would've bought Old Town Road as a single when it was still rising to fame, vs. how many people would give it a listen because their friend said it's a weird rap-country song about horses? It's a really interesting phenomenon, I'd love to read more about it if I had the time! Either way, I think it was smart of Taylor to put the album on streaming from the get go. I doubt she'd have even got the level of pure sales she has now for Lover if she'd kept it off streaming because people would've been more inclined to not listen rather than to go out and buy the whole CD. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 15:38:53 GMT -5
The more I listen to Cornelia Street, the more I love it, and find it very relatable. As of right now, False God is still my favorite, but Cornelia Street is testing that.
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Post by TaylorSwiftFan on Sept 1, 2019 19:12:23 GMT -5
Lover didn’t break the 1 million sold units mark in the US in the first week That’s the first time Taylor failed at that since her debut album. Worldwide sales were 3 million units. That’s almost double the amount of previous albums. Do you guys think it’s because of Taylor’s political statements? It's quite disappointing but I think it's to do with streaming. They should count listens of albums towards sales but I guess they can't. I guess we will see when they look at plays of the 'Lover' album on streaming platforms and there might be records she breaks with it instead of getting over one million album sales. It's quite disappointing since I thought she could get to 2 million some year with her albums. Did 'Reputation' sell over a million? I thought she could've reached 2 million with '1989' or 'Reputation' or 'Lover' but she didn't... |
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Post by TaylorSwiftFan on Sept 1, 2019 19:15:08 GMT -5
I don’t know. One would expect the situation hasn’t changed that much over the last two year. Taylor did way more promotion for Lover, not to mention all the albums included in merch and stuff. It didn’t occur to me because I focused on Lover music wise. I thought it would bring more fans (back) to Taylor since Lover is higher quality than reputation. And some songs could even be popular in the country scene again. But I underestimated that Taylor probably alienated many people with her political messages. It has changed though. Look at Beyonce and Jay Z-Lemonade and 4:44 did pretty, selling 653,000 and 262,000 respectively. When they released Everything Is Love, which should've been huge combining both their star power, they only hit 123,000 first week and that was only a year after Jay Z had released his album, and this decrease was because it was a Tidal exclusive with little promotion. Doesn't mean the album was a flop as the songs had still accumulated 184,500,000 total plays, but the streaming era means sales are a lot worse. Merch won't have made that much difference as I know a lot of people who didn't redeem their links, and again tonnes of fans are international and couldn't redeem their sales. She's still sold over double what the Jonas Brothers sold as the previous biggest release of the year, and they also had merch and tour bundles that came with the album and their comeback was pretty highly anticipated. These days I think the only person who could hit 1 million sales is Adele, and I'd even question that because soccer moms are also coming around to streaming. To use some non-Taylor examples, if we take the top selling albums in the US each year we can see the decrease in pure sales. In 2016, 81.92% of sales of Views by Drake were pure sales. In 2017, 71.40% of Ed Sheeran's Divide were pure sales. In 2018, 21.86% of Drake's Scorpion sales were pure. Taylor is still bucking the decreasing trend with 78.32% physical sales, and considering this is her first album to go straight on streaming in the streaming era it seems pretty clear that the decrease in sales is due to streaming rather than to her losing fans. I honestly think if anything Taylor has gained fans recently. I'm a member of the LGBTQ+ society at my university and a lot of people who used to hate her gained respect for her after her Equality Act petition. There's been so many people online saying that they couldn't fault her for the things she's said about homophobia and sexism. If nothing else, London Boy became something of a meme over here and I think nearly every person under 30 in the UK has listened to it for the meme. It's just that much harder to gain big numbers when you have to stream it a ridiculous amount of times for it to count as one sale. I find it pretty stupid they didn't just count purchases of merch as an album sale since it supposedly came with the album. And it's stupid international fans couldn't download it. If they want all fans to buy it they should make a way for all fans to be able to download it. I sent an email to customer support about asking if I'd ever get the downloads and could give them to American fans but they answered with their usual response that it's only available to people in the U.S.. |
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Sept 1, 2019 19:16:51 GMT -5
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Post by TaylorSwiftFan on Sept 1, 2019 19:16:51 GMT -5
It has changed though. Look at Beyonce and Jay Z-Lemonade and 4:44 did pretty, selling 653,000 and 262,000 respectively. When they released Everything Is Love, which should've been huge combining both their star power, they only hit 123,000 first week and that was only a year after Jay Z had released his album, and this decrease was because it was a Tidal exclusive with little promotion. Doesn't mean the album was a flop as the songs had still accumulated 184,500,000 total plays, but the streaming era means sales are a lot worse. Merch won't have made that much difference as I know a lot of people who didn't redeem their links, and again tonnes of fans are international and couldn't redeem their sales. She's still sold over double what the Jonas Brothers sold as the previous biggest release of the year, and they also had merch and tour bundles that came with the album and their comeback was pretty highly anticipated. These days I think the only person who could hit 1 million sales is Adele, and I'd even question that because soccer moms are also coming around to streaming. To use some non-Taylor examples, if we take the top selling albums in the US each year we can see the decrease in pure sales. In 2016, 81.92% of sales of Views by Drake were pure sales. In 2017, 71.40% of Ed Sheeran's Divide were pure sales. In 2018, 21.86% of Drake's Scorpion sales were pure. Taylor is still bucking the decreasing trend with 78.32% physical sales, and considering this is her first album to go straight on streaming in the streaming era it seems pretty clear that the decrease in sales is due to streaming rather than to her losing fans. I honestly think if anything Taylor has gained fans recently. I'm a member of the LGBTQ+ society at my university and a lot of people who used to hate her gained respect for her after her Equality Act petition. There's been so many people online saying that they couldn't fault her for the things she's said about homophobia and sexism. If nothing else, London Boy became something of a meme over here and I think nearly every person under 30 in the UK has listened to it for the meme. It's just that much harder to gain big numbers when you have to stream it a ridiculous amount of times for it to count as one sale. soccer moms Worldwide I think Taylor is doing really well. In the UK there are probably more fans now. But I’m not so sure about the US. Going against large groups of people who were her main fan base, can’t be good. Could be true that streaming is an additional problem that got bigger very recently. Taylor also put all the songs on Youtube immediately.I found it odd she released it on 'YouTube' right away. I don't think she did that with 'Reputation'. Some people might have bought the album if it wasn't on 'YouTube' right away. |
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