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Post by Roman on Mar 14, 2019 1:59:34 GMT -5
Probably best to let this rest. This discussion could go on pretty long. No need to get worked up about it. I'm not a fan of pets for valid reasons, but I don't have anything against people on here who own pets.
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Post by SomeFearlessChick on Mar 14, 2019 6:10:18 GMT -5
Your argument doesn't make sense because I took an 'Animal Diversity' university course and sorry to say but humans are animals. We're more evolved than other animals but we're animals. We're not plants, we're not fungi or microbes. We're iving and breathing animals. The anthropocentric view would be to think that humans are a unique species all on their own but we aren't, we evolved from primates. We're part of Chordata with a backbone. And it's very anthropocentric to want a world or space where animals aren't in it. I guess no humans would be in it either as humans are animals. And animals other than humans could never make the mess that humans have made like almost destroying the planet and causing mass destruction. Humans have more evolved brains and then we thought we could take whatever we want from the world. You'll never see a bear invent and drive a gasoline-burning car in the forest. It's peaceful on its own and lives in the natural ecosystems of the world. Honest to god, I probably trust animals more than people. A cat or dog will never betray you while a human can. Damn Callie. This reminds me of that "The US is below Canada so that makes it our b*tch" thing on old TC 😂😂 Owned lmao.
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Post by SomeFearlessChick on Mar 14, 2019 6:11:59 GMT -5
Probably best to let this rest. This discussion could go on pretty long. No need to get worked up about it. I'm not a fan of pets for valid reasons, but I don't have anything against people on here who own pets. Yeah sorry about that. You got to admit Callie had an amazing argument though lol
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Post by Roman on Mar 14, 2019 7:26:08 GMT -5
Probably best to let this rest. This discussion could go on pretty long. No need to get worked up about it. I'm not a fan of pets for valid reasons, but I don't have anything against people on here who own pets. Yeah sorry about that. You got to admit Callie had an amazing argument though lol Not really. My knowledge and understanding of science is bigger than that of anyone on here. There's a distinct difference between human-beings and animals, I even explained what the difference is and why it was relevant for what I said. So it doesn't make much sense to argue that humans are animals. Similarities don't make two different phenomenons the same. It's important to be logical and precise in these matters. This might come off as arrogant. But that's not my intention. Not knowing is not a reason to get upset or feel inadequate. Nobody can know everything. These subjects are very interesting and important. My intention is to help people with my knowledge and make them think freely about these subjects. Maybe one day Callie and I will meet up and have long talks about stuff like this
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Post by TaylorSwiftFan on Mar 14, 2019 16:03:56 GMT -5
Probably best to let this rest. This discussion could go on pretty long. No need to get worked up about it. I'm not a fan of pets for valid reasons, but I don't have anything against people on here who own pets. I didn't mean it as an argument but it was a discussion. I guess it's like if there was a person who loved babies and/or kids (for some reason) who didn't agree with me as I hate them and feel revolted by them.
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Post by TaylorSwiftFan on Mar 14, 2019 16:06:33 GMT -5
Your argument doesn't make sense because I took an 'Animal Diversity' university course and sorry to say but humans are animals. We're more evolved than other animals but we're animals. We're not plants, we're not fungi or microbes. We're iving and breathing animals. The anthropocentric view would be to think that humans are a unique species all on their own but we aren't, we evolved from primates. We're part of Chordata with a backbone. And it's very anthropocentric to want a world or space where animals aren't in it. I guess no humans would be in it either as humans are animals. And animals other than humans could never make the mess that humans have made like almost destroying the planet and causing mass destruction. Humans have more evolved brains and then we thought we could take whatever we want from the world. You'll never see a bear invent and drive a gasoline-burning car in the forest. It's peaceful on its own and lives in the natural ecosystems of the world. Honest to god, I probably trust animals more than people. A cat or dog will never betray you while a human can. Damn Callie. This reminds me of that "The US is below Canada so that makes it our b*tch" thing on old TC 😂😂 Owned lmao. I didn't mean it like that but it makes me laugh if you thought it was funny. I sort of thought the bear thing I said was funny as I just thought of it as an example. I guess I felt spicy last night. And learning things in university gives you more confidence in knowing more about things and impacts of humans and things like that (in some of the courses I've taken in 'Geography'). You reminded me of that thing from the old 'Taylor Connect' too as it was just a spur of the moment thing I posted and I didn't think it was funny but I'm surprised you still remember that haha.
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Post by TaylorSwiftFan on Mar 14, 2019 16:10:10 GMT -5
Yeah sorry about that. You got to admit Callie had an amazing argument though lol Not really. My knowledge and understanding of science is bigger than that of anyone on here. There's a distinct difference between human-beings and animals, I even explained what the difference is and why it was relevant for what I said. So it doesn't make much sense to argue that humans are animals. Similarities don't make two different phenomenons the same. It's important to be logical and precise in these matters. This might come off as arrogant. But that's not my intention. Not knowing is not a reason to get upset or feel inadequate. Nobody can know everything. These subjects are very interesting and important. My intention is to help people with my knowledge and make them think freely about these subjects. Maybe one day Callie and I will meet up and have long talks about stuff like this We've got a scientist on our hands! Jk We can all have our opinions but I just wonder why you don't think that humans are animals? It's what we evolved from.
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Post by Roman on Mar 15, 2019 2:34:55 GMT -5
Not really. My knowledge and understanding of science is bigger than that of anyone on here. There's a distinct difference between human-beings and animals, I even explained what the difference is and why it was relevant for what I said. So it doesn't make much sense to argue that humans are animals. Similarities don't make two different phenomenons the same. It's important to be logical and precise in these matters. This might come off as arrogant. But that's not my intention. Not knowing is not a reason to get upset or feel inadequate. Nobody can know everything. These subjects are very interesting and important. My intention is to help people with my knowledge and make them think freely about these subjects. Maybe one day Callie and I will meet up and have long talks about stuff like this We've got a scientist on our hands! Jk We can all have our opinions but I just wonder why you don't think that humans are animals? It's what we evolved from. No worries, there are definitely no hard feelings as far as I'm concerned. The name humans already implies that we're not animals. And yes, there are similarities. Part of us works the same as in animals. I assume you wouldn't call yourself an animal. Sometimes we actually call people animals and you know that's not a compliment. It's for a reason that these phenomenons are divided. The vital part of what I said initially, was based on important differences between humans and animals. For example hygiene: if your sister takes a dump, doesn't wipe and lays down on the couch with her bare bottom, you would not be happy. Yet people accept it from their pets. Or my point about morals: one could say humans misbehave and do terrible things, true. But compared to animals we have pretty good morals. It's common amongst animals to kill each other or to hump each other. If you compare that to humans, we would speak of murder, incest, rape. Thank God that's not the general standard for humans. We do have the power to reflect on wrong and right and control ourselves (in contrast to animals). One important thing I want to add: I'm not in favor of an animal free world. But I believe in healthy boundaries between humans and animals. That means, humans should not destroy nature or interfere (too much) in wild life, that's not our territory. In return, civilization should not be terrorized by animals. That's why I'm not a fan of pets. And yes, I'm aware that pet owners are mostly to blame for these problems. If it was up to me alone, I would like to see all pets banned. But since it's not about me, I respect that other people have pets. But in my opinion it's a pet owners duty to make sure other people aren't bothered by it. That should be a no-brainer, but sadly it isn't for many people.
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Post by SomeFearlessChick on Mar 15, 2019 2:50:46 GMT -5
Not really. My knowledge and understanding of science is bigger than that of anyone on here. There's a distinct difference between human-beings and animals, I even explained what the difference is and why it was relevant for what I said. So it doesn't make much sense to argue that humans are animals. Similarities don't make two different phenomenons the same. It's important to be logical and precise in these matters. This might come off as arrogant. But that's not my intention. Not knowing is not a reason to get upset or feel inadequate. Nobody can know everything. These subjects are very interesting and important. My intention is to help people with my knowledge and make them think freely about these subjects. Maybe one day Callie and I will meet up and have long talks about stuff like this This is not just 'coming off' as arrogant. This is arrogant. You can't claim to be an 'expert' on a subject without being open to learning. I, too, am interested to hear why you think humans aren't animals, when it's Biology 101 curriculum... Edit: just saw your response. Gotta say Callie's detailed scientific explanation is a lot more convincing than your... "understanding of science" opinion.
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Post by Roman on Mar 15, 2019 5:27:40 GMT -5
Not really. My knowledge and understanding of science is bigger than that of anyone on here. There's a distinct difference between human-beings and animals, I even explained what the difference is and why it was relevant for what I said. So it doesn't make much sense to argue that humans are animals. Similarities don't make two different phenomenons the same. It's important to be logical and precise in these matters. This might come off as arrogant. But that's not my intention. Not knowing is not a reason to get upset or feel inadequate. Nobody can know everything. These subjects are very interesting and important. My intention is to help people with my knowledge and make them think freely about these subjects. Maybe one day Callie and I will meet up and have long talks about stuff like this This is not just 'coming off' as arrogant. This is arrogant. You can't claim to be an 'expert' on a subject without being open to learning. I, too, am interested to hear why you think humans aren't animals, when it's Biology 101 curriculum... Edit: just saw your response. Gotta say Callie's detailed scientific explanation is a lot more convincing than your... "understanding of science" opinion. I am well educated in both science and philosophy. Being open to learning is part of that. Fair enough if you think that's arrogant. But it is true. I started stating that pets smell and are unhygienic. And that animals can't be trusted. Callie responded by asking if that would mean humans can't be trusted either since they're animals. Which is a valid question. I explained how humans differ from animals by their rational part and reason, making them capable of being moral. Callie insisted that humans are animals. Which is a bit of a strange response. Because even if they are, it doesn't change the fact that humans are capable of being moral and animals don't. I'm aware of the theory of evolution and the connection between cells, plants, micro-organisms, animals and human beings. The categories show that there are important differences. Otherwise we wouldn't make this clear distinction. It's obvious where we draw the line between animals and humans. So we can bicker about the single statement whether humans are animals or not. But especially in the context I said it, it was a very accurate statement. I'm a bit disappointed that you dismiss what I said as an opinion and you consider what you prefer to hear as truth.
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Post by SomeFearlessChick on Mar 15, 2019 6:19:50 GMT -5
I read it as this: 1 person likes pets, the other doesn't. Topic change. Callie says humans are animals, you say this is incorrect. So initial topic has been moved on to a discussion involving science. Philosophy and science go hand in hand and yes I've done Philosophy at uni and know all about 'the self' but that's what this 'morality' stuff is to do with that you speak of. Not the fact that humans, by scientific definition, are animals.
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Post by Roman on Mar 15, 2019 8:45:08 GMT -5
I read it as this: 1 person likes pets, the other doesn't. Topic change. Callie says humans are animals, you say this is incorrect. So initial topic has been moved on to a discussion involving science. Philosophy and science go hand in hand and yes I've done Philosophy at uni and know all about 'the self' but that's what this 'morality' stuff is to do with that you speak of. Not the fact that humans, by scientific definition, are animals. I see. So the actual problem is the lack of reading comprehension.
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Post by SomeFearlessChick on Mar 15, 2019 9:32:47 GMT -5
I never missed pets. Humans are not animals. Humans significantly differ from animals because of their rational part. Reason is the vital part to make you capable of being moral and thus trustworthy. Doesn’t mean you can trust everyone. But you know one thing for sure: animals are immoral and can’t be trusted. They can’t help it, but it’s important to know when you’re dealing with animals. Best thing is to limit contact with animals to having them on your plate Nope lol
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Post by SomeFearlessChick on Mar 15, 2019 9:39:22 GMT -5
I don't think you explained yourself very well. For someone who apparently knows more about science than anyone on this site (what sort of a proclamation is this even?), it was bit of a contradiction to say that humans aren't animals. It's common knowledge that humans are mammals... The morality of other species is a completely different debate. Your last few posts seem confused on which one you're trying to argue.
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Post by Roman on Mar 15, 2019 10:37:22 GMT -5
I don't think you explained yourself very well. For someone who apparently knows more about science than anyone on this site (what sort of a proclamation is this even?), it was bit of a contradiction to say that humans aren't animals. It's common knowledge that humans are mammals... The morality of other species is a completely different debate. Your last few posts seem confused on which one you're trying to argue. I could’ve worded a few things better. And I agree that it wasn’t the best approach to put my knowledge above that of others on this site. But my posts were coherent and self-explanatory. I explained what I meant clearly and elaborated on it with examples that speak to mind. It’s nearly impossible to have a civilized discussion with someone who doesn’t even give you the courtesy of reading your entire posts and trying to comprehend what you’re saying. If you make up your own version of what the discussion is about, pull a single line out of a post and have to simplify two connected things to a single problem, I understand you can’t follow. Or maybe there’s a completely different, personal issue. Maybe you felt attacked when I said something about pets you didn’t want to hear. Maybe you don’t like me. And because of that you dismiss the possibilty that what I said is true. It’s not the first time you try to put words in my mouth or take my words out of context.
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